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Alan Rowley YaBB Administrator Press Officers Site publisher Posts: 2951 Gender:	Re: Bulwell C.C. « Reply #15 - on: Mar 25^th, 2006, 6:56pm » According to tonight's Post, they have folded.
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legend 2nd Teamer I love cricket! Posts: 92	Re: Bulwell C.C. « Reply #16 - on: Mar 25^th, 2006, 7:28pm » such a shame when this happens to any club,good luck to all players and officials at bulwell.
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TonyP YaBB Moderator Press Officers It'll all come flooding back....... eventually!!!! Posts: 1147 Gender:	Re: Bulwell C.C. « Reply #17 - on: Mar 25^th, 2006, 10:15pm » This is a bad day for cricket, does there seem to be a few teams folding over the last couple of years
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« Reply #18 - on: Mar 26^th, 2006, 10:24am »

It may be different in Bullwell's case but a lot of the teams are folding due to the bigger clubs having 3 and 4 teams. There isn't a lot we can do about it and it doesn't matter as long as people get an opportunity to get a game - though you look at places like Langwith and you have to ask yourself 'when do the young people round there get a chance to play cricket?'

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Stef_Roberts Junior Posts: 23 Gender:	Re: Bulwell C.C. « Reply #19 - on: Mar 27^th, 2006, 2:33pm » What with Bulwell folding and the mindless idiots at Awsworth, this is a very sad time for local cricket.
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« Reply #20 - on: Mar 28^th, 2006, 6:49am »

[quote author=silly_point link=1142425964/15#18 date=1143368643]It may be different in Bullwell's case but a lot of the teams are folding due to the bigger clubs having 3 and 4 teams.

Not too many years ago we (Clifton Village) had one side, no juniors and were perfectly happy and we came under constant pressure from the SNCL to come up with a 2nd XI then we got into the Premier League and we got all kinds of threats to operate a junior set up. Once all these juniors come along a lot also wanted to play at weekends so where do all the older players play so we had to start a third XI. The Notts cricket board push these damands on to clubs like ours for which the clubs on this forum have a vote and change policy. If the clubs didn't vote to support the ECB proposals we would never have ended up down this road where umpires are as much concerned for health and safety as did the ball pitch in line? You only have to read the ground criteria demands of the leagues to see that the leagues dont want these old clubs that are the history of Nottinghamshire cricket there demands are pushing these clubs down the leagues until they fold which is what those in the grey suits really want anyway. The only way to stop it is to vote against the management committee of your league the next time they say propose along the lines of all sides in say the first 5 or 10 divisions should have covers or before you know it you will have to have ground sprinklers too.

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Alan Rowley YaBB Administrator Press Officers Site publisher Posts: 2951 Gender:	Re: Bulwell C.C. « Reply #21 - on: Mar 28^th, 2006, 8:15am » Some interesting points Joe. What is really forcing clubs like Bulwell out of existence? The official reason is that they were unable to fill key posts at the club, but why is this? Why don't people want to get involved? Where will the game be in five / ten years time?
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Re: Bulwell C.C.
« Reply #22 - on: Mar 28^th, 2006, 8:28am »

Quote from Alan Rowley on Mar 28^th, 2006, 8:15am:

Some interesting points Joe. What is really forcing clubs like Bulwell out of existence? The official reason is that they were unable to fill key posts at the club, but why is this? Why don't people want to get involved? Where will the game be in five / ten years time?

Look at all the "Big" old clubs from the Eve league when it was a league worth being in where have they gone? The ECB want to reduce the numbers of clubs and increase their control and the smaller clubs are voting to support it without thinking where it is going to lead. You wil lose clubs that get pushed down the leagues because they dont have showers or dont have sight screens or dont have covers. The better players at these clubs start to move to clubs with facilities to play better cricket and the problem compounds and yet its the clubs with the lesser facilities that have the votes at AGM's and yet they have voted themselves out of existance. Cricket is getting back to being a game for the Have's and the Have Not's are going to slowly go to the wall. I dont know how many clubs have folded in the last 20 years it must be quite substantial.

Look whats happening now in the premier League with talk of the Cricket Accademy going into the league and maybe the SNCL and the Bassetlawy having a play off for the other promotion spot or maybe 3 relegations next year. It all impacts on the lower clubs but they dont let themselves be heard and thats the way the game in this county is going unless clubs think about what they are voting for.

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JimmyAdams Chairman Rock & Roll Star Posts: 1606 Gender:	Re: Bulwell C.C. « Reply #23 - on: Mar 28^th, 2006, 8:34am » Interesting about the academey Joe. Would clubs have any say if Notts wanted one of their young players? Have Clifton got anyone likely to be approached and where would one of the smaller clubs stand if they wanted to keep their 17-18 year old instead of having him play for the Colts Side?
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Re: Bulwell C.C.
« Reply #24 - on: Mar 28^th, 2006, 8:46am »

Quote from JimmyAdams on Mar 28^th, 2006, 8:34am:

Interesting about the academey Joe. Would clubs have any say if Notts wanted one of their young players?

Have Clifton got anyone likely to be approached and where would one of the smaller clubs stand if they wanted to keep their 17-18 year old instead of having him play for the Colts Side?

You used to get a letter asking for the players release to the old colts but i'd guess if you had said no the kid would have gone anyway and I'd imagine any kid that hopes to make it would think the same now as they did then. We dont pick the Academy side so wouldn't have a clue who we could lose. If we did lose one or two it wouldn't be the end of the world but if a club in the Bassetlaw or the SNCL were to lose their best youngster I would imagine that it would matter and lets face it they are not bound to pool the squad from the Premier League and that is again what impacts on the clubs in the feeder leagues. This could hit them harder that it does say our clubs and yet where are their voices being heard? are they even aware what's being planned?

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« Reply #25 - on: Mar 28^th, 2006, 8:55am »

There does seem to be a large amount of people burying their heads in the sand when proposals like this and others that affect the smaller clubs are made. At KICC we are very fortunate as we have a hardworking Chairman and Comittee who deal with all matters that may affect the club and pursue whatever course of action to ensure the best possible future for the club.

I know a few people on comittees at South Notts clubs and if you were to ask them what new regulations are being proposed or actually coming into force then they would not have a clue as if it does not affect their club immediately or more often than not the team they actually play in then they tend to ignore it and expect life to go on as normal.

Perhaps you need a seat on some of the SNCL / Prem comittees Joe?

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« Reply #26 - on: Mar 28^th, 2006, 9:07am »

Hold the meetings in Killarney and I might turn up to them. We are lucky too we have people who do a lot of work but with clubs with 3 sides and juniors sides you do find people that are prepared to take on tasks but with clubs that have only one side if the players are all working, travelling with their jobs have kids to keep entertained its not always easy finding the foot soldiers to do all the chores.

I know for a fact that at the prem meeting before the last one all the clubs were asked by the chair to keep the matters that were discussed to themselves and not to go on these forums or talk outside the circle. Why? It hits the clubs that read this forum harder than those that read the other one. I got told what was going on from someone at another club as our representative quite rightly thought i'd post it on a forum if i was told.

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« Reply #27 - on: Mar 28^th, 2006, 12:31pm »

It seems to me that the 'successful' clubs in Nottinghamshire have the big junior sections that in turn give more volunateers to the club. All sides in the prem have pretty big junior sections apart from maybe the Cavs and this must mean parents of these kids helping out and taking up the key positions of the clubs.

From what i know these so called small clubs that are folding are being held up by 'one man' or one or 2 people. From my clubs point of view if we didnt have the junior section we have the club would be run by one or 2 people and im not sure if it would survive.

Do more small clubs need to join together and build larger junior sections in order to save their club??

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« Reply #28 - on: Mar 28^th, 2006, 6:30pm »

I can see all perspectives here, but will add my views nevertheless.

I was involved with a club in the Thames Valley League for around 10 years and have been in the SNCL for 5. For the past 2 years I have been heavily involved in the committee of my current club. My personal opinion is that the TVL is where the Notts (or even East Mids) should be heading. Here you have 1 large "elite" league, which now includes the Home Counties Prem and then numerous more local leagues beneath them. There is no routine promotion/relegation between teh TVL and the leagues below as far as I know.

This system offers everyone the chance to play where they want to. It involves clubs working with partner clubs to develop young playing talent and assist in numerous off field activities. It is built around the ECB Focus Clubs, which is where ECB have made it clear their ersource will be chanelled.

I will work damned hard for my club, but i do not beleive it has a right to remain in existence come what may. If we cannot continually attract new blood, fund facility development and serve our community, we will fold. Sad, but then we move on. That will not stop me working damned hard with other committee members to do our best in the meantime.

The reality is that if 1 person is hoilding a club together, they are probably just prolonging the inevitable. Fair play to that individual for trying, but maybe their efforts would be better served joining forces with a larger club in some way.

I'm sorry if I disagree with most people on here, but I think the ECB are right here. They have a blod masterplan and most people will agree they are getting it right at the top end. I think they will get it right at the lower end too. How about some of these smaller clubs consider becoming larger clubs 4th or 5th teams? I don't know if the rules allow this, but a change to let this happen if neeeded would surely be a step in the right direction.

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